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Karzie
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 Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:20 am Post subject: Iontophoresis Treatment Strength |
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I have an Idromed 5 DC and am treating both hands and feet at the same time. As suggested on the instruction manual, I am setting the current to 25mA.
Would treating my hands and feet separately (with 15mA and 20mA respectively) result in a stronger treatment?
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Dear Karzie, this is somehow a bit more complicated as it looks the first time
the idea behind your request is - as i think- this:
when you treat hands and feet seperate you have a stronger current cause the current is focused only on hands / feet
treating seperate leads to smaller treated areas and through this, the current is that % stronger the area is smaller
this statement only applies when your bodys resitant is higher than the device can deliver through the medical regulations. the devices we offer have the strongest allowed current at a 2 Kohms resistor
25mA@72V@2Kohm
this means, have you got a 4 kOhm body resistant the formula would be
25mA@36V@4Kohm
in theory, and in this single case you would truly have a higher current
e.g.
hands have 350 cm2
feet have 500 cm2
this would lead to 850 cm2 in total when treating both together
this would be a sprad of 25 mA to 850cm2
treating then only feet leads to a
25mA on 500cm2= 0,05mA per cm2 instead of having
25mA on 850cm2= 0,029 mA per cm2 appr 70% more power
in therory:
- through the fact a larger area has a lower resistant, this is equalized in the same way due to the lower resistor (the body)
the above sentance is only applicated when you have a lower resistant than 2 kOhms (what is unusual, average is around 3 kohms)
having a lower than a 2 kOhms resistant leads to max possible current if it is lower the device will go into a "security" setting, preventing maximum power e.g. when you have cuts or burns - a senseful security option) and on the other hand a regulated max device output fitting medical rules
to maintain water in the skin - and through this a iontophoresis practical body resistant - wich is defined by skin thickness and water as a current conductor - it is a good idea to use a iontophoresis fitting after care like current care availabel in our shops
Conclusion: It is the best to have a professional powerful iontophoresis device, this leads in first line to high currents. The rest is a "self-regualting" routine and therapy setups differ only i "extreme" cases, so when you have a good setup at 25 for both hands and feet with the + pole for the feet (has the more sweat reduction effect) AND having a effect there is no need to do it seperate, else it would be different if you cna e.g. only go to 10 whilst it begins to tingle on the hands and you feel nothing for the feet - with no sweat reduction for the plants - then a seperate treatment would make sense
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Karzie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for your reply. However, I still have some concerns as to how I should proceed with my iontophoresis.
I have performed a total of 10 treatments in 10 consecutive days. I have always treated both hands and both feet simultaneously, with the current set to 25mA.
For the 1st 5 treatments, I used the + pole for the hands, and - pole for the feet. For the other 5 treatments, I switched polarity and used the - pole for the feet, and the + pole for the hands.
So far, I haven't seen any improvement whatsoever.
Would you suggest that I start treating my hands (@ 15mA) and feet (@ 20mA) separately? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:05 am Post subject: |
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If there is no improvment so far, then it might be a good idea to start treating your hands and feet separately.
Hands: Since you have a DC device, I donīt know if youīre going to tolerate 15mA from the beginning. Like stated in the manual, it is always a good idea to start at the lowest setting, you can still go higher till you start to feel a slight current sensation.
There is no need to start with full power, it is mostly counter productive if you experience pain and you want to stand it. You shall feel nothing, and if you should only feel a slight current sensation, not more!
Feet: Hereīs the same, start low and if you donīt feel anything, you can go higher.
Hands and Feet: The treatment should not hurt. Doesnīt matter if you can stand only 12ma for hands and 20mA for feet, thatīs ok, thatīs the most your body can take for the moment. So if youīre increasing the current and it starts hurting, then lower the current a bit again, and that should be the perfet setting for you. How long are your treatment times at the moment? If itīs possible, try to treat half hour your feet and half hour your hands. How high is the water in your trays? Remember, the lower the better! See this http://iontophoresis-device.com/hyperhidrosis/how-high-shall-i-fill-in-the-water-in-the-trays-t145.html
Keep it up and us updated on how it goes!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: Fingertips still sweat |
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I followed your suggestions and started filling the trays following the tips in the internal board of water each and treating my hands and feet separately (15mA and 20mA respectively).
I immediately started seeing some improvement, with parts of my hand keeping dry.
After about 5 treatments, my hands were almost completely dry. My feet aren't sweating at the moment (it's Winter), so I'm just treating my hands once a week.
My hands are really really dry (white skin peeling off). BUT my fingertips swill sweat. My fingers are dry, except for the top "third" part.
What do you suggest? I don't want to keep drying out my hands, but I want my fingertips to stop sweating!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: Treating Fingertips |
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| ok i see - an easy hint for the fingertips... And I set the current to (for example) 5mA? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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at the end of the 2nd post of
http://iontophoresis-device.com/hyperhidrosis/treating-finger-tips-t544.html
there is a detailed tip for current setup
remember: as i cannot see the exact rate between treated and untreated area and also not your feel whilst the treatment, i could not say anything about how high to set up the current, so you have to figure it out yourself, hear to your body, the calculation is only a "for the most users a good tip" - also the calculation is easy and i am sure you can figure out the best strength with this calculation and your own experience...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: Cannot get my fingertips dry after months |
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I have been treating my fingertips every day for two months and still can't get them dry - not even a slight improvement 
For my hands, I'm following the "magic number" routine suggested at http://iontophoresis-device.com/hyperhidrosis/introduction-to-iontophoresis-maintenance-treatment-t25.html and at the moment I'm on a schedule of 2 days break and 1 day treatment.
However, the "top third" of all my fingers still sweats profusely. While I'm really happy that I've had success with the rest of my hand, it's still cumbersome to do certain stuff (like typing!).
I used to do 15 minutes @ 5mA daily, with just my fingertips in the water. I am now doing 30 minutes @ 6mA. Even on days when I treat my hands @ 15mA, I still do an extra 15 minutes @ 6mA just for the fingertips.
Do you have any suggestions for treating my fingertips?
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